This entry reminded me of my hatred for people that complain about what's on the television. You have a controversial show on, and the next day there are 200 complaints about the programme, how horrible it was, and how dare they show it.
The people who watched it, and were disgusted by it, have the same abilities as everyone else. Simply turn over if you don't like what you see.
Some people even complain without watching it, which is the strangest thing.
It's our choice what to watch*, and what not to watch, same as it's our choice what to read and what not to read.
Mxx
* There are limits, of course. You can't simply stick a snuff movie on TV saying 'you have the choice to switch it off' as there are obviously levels of society that shouldn't be met - and there is certainly a difference between free will and creating a public acceptance of what society should allow.
Steven
· 2 years ago
Love the dancing yellow cow lol
Gotta say that bashing, flaming, whatever you call it is wrong on all accounts but if you truly disagree with someone, even if they are a more famous blogger, I think it's fine. Straight ranting and bitching is not productive and un-welcomed on all levels.
I must admit on some part though, sometimes many things get repeated, either by the same blogger who posted a while back, or the same topic gets covered by multiple bloggers. It is incredibly annoying to come across your RSS reader of say 20 bloggers, 19 (if not all 20) of which will discuss the same subject.
It's nothing to have a cow about (no pun intended), but it's also unnecessary for one blogger to be blogging about the same thing another blogger is blogging about UNLESS there really is something in it (for example: BlogRush; everyone tried to get people in their own network which I can understand). But having most of your bloggers tell you WP v2.3 is out is pointless (this is pure example and not actually the case).
I wish more bloggers would in the same niche would please stop posting the same thing, particularly if you know a popular blog has already covered it. Just give the popular blog credit (unless of course you were first to post the news), and move on. Don't read it off their blog and write it in your own words.
Wow this has got to be my longest comment YET
Jayne
· 2 years ago
I was going to say "funny coincidence you should write this... I just read an article listing off reasons why 'you should stop blogging'... the author said something along the lines of 'if you think john chow is cool, do us all a favor and stop blogging'."
But then stuff like that is out there every day, and I run into it more often than I would like, so I suppose it's not a funny coincidence at all.
I have a feeling the aforementioned author really was just looking for an excuse to slip a Chow-snipe in there. A chowsnipe. Haha.. I like that word.
I run a site (non-bloggy type thing) that has 11,000 active registered users and a very very active forum. I've actually had people set up sites/blogs for the sole purpose of talking about how much I suck or my site sucks. (Usually these are people I've banned for being boneheads, or people who run similar, but barely popular sites, I've observed.) I bring this up just to say that I've been on both ends. My blogs are new (less than 6 months), so I can see why it's tempting to be jealous of people who are successful, especially when they make it look so easy. But I would say this.. when something is done well, it always looks easy.
Okay, well, I went off there, and I didn't mean to... but you just touched a nerve today as I was already in eye-rolling mode over that article I read this morning.
Angel
· 2 years ago
If you're in the public eye with a large readership, you have to expect criticism. I wrote a post about you and Cash Quests this week that was quite critical, although I felt it was balanced, and yet I still read both sites daily.
There will always be those who attack your position, but you have a loyal readership so you can rise above this and let people talk. Talk isn't going to bring you down and it isn't going to affect your readership. How you react to the talk will.
Let people talk.
I never write about a bit-time blogger unless I really have something to say. The big-time bloggers are the leaders in this field, and it's natural to look to them and respond to what they say.
Which articles are you referring to anyway? I hope not mine.
jerrykhoo
· 2 years ago
Like what you mentioned, many smaller blogs are out there sniping at the bigger blogs just to get the attention.
Personally, I believe in looking at a subject from various points of views and to give a balanced account of what you think about a subject (or in this instance, the Cow blog and it's activities).
As long as you are fair in your comments, there will be people (and cows) who will see that your arguments are sound and you will then gain aloyal following. Having some humor thrown in helps too. :grin:
browie
· 2 years ago
I think some bloggers are starting to get the idea that the "Rich get Richer". Think about it. When some things come out that are new, like dealdotcom or blogrush people want to be first to talk about it.
Example: Dealdotcom, we knew it was going to be hot so we blogged about it as soon as we could to get those referrals. Random people read the big blogs first and always sign up under them, hence giving them loads of referrals and in return making the rich richer.
That's what it's about, people wanting a piece of the pie.
Jez
· 2 years ago
You got a negative reaction by trying to rip people off with a silly scam...
If you had offered something of value for a fair price you would have got a positive reaction...
John Cow
· 2 years ago
Jez, thats your opinion, not a fact. You were predicting the future from your crystal ball. Don't like it, ignore it. why the hatred?
A. Marques
· 2 years ago
Does this mean I can start bashing you guys now?
As you mentioned, the big majority of the tabloids around only survive because people want to hear "bad stuff" about celebs and such. It's the same with blogs. Readers are bored, they want entertainment (this kind of readers don't want useful content, really just some spicy entertainment). Give them this entertainment by talking bad about someone (the bigger this someone, the better). They'll love your blog for it. It's easy to understand. Of course that the blogger might also be serving himself a little. Maybe some ego deprived people just feel better when talking bad about others... Don't know.
PropertyIreland
· 2 years ago
John, If you release a product that a lot of people see as a scam designed to empty the pockets of newbies, you are bound to get bad comments posted on blogs. As soon as you release another product that is considered of good value, I'm sure the same people will be writing about you but in a more positive fashion. You have to take the good with the bad and isn't any press good anyway?
John Cow
· 2 years ago
We're not talking about our product, we're talking about a very general situation that seems to arise all the time.
Mr. Rajawang
· 2 years ago
I love the dancing yellow cow too :razz:
Cash Quests
· 2 years ago
You write something positive about something - people come out against you. You write something negative about something - a different set come out against you.
Should you care?
Should you worry?
Whenever I'm getting too concerned about the criticism against me, I just check my Paypal account and feel much better.
The big boohoos will die poor.
Jez
· 2 years ago
Its not a general situation, and it is about the product.
I don't hate you or your blog and never referenced this site in my posts.
Your own readers and advertisers (AKA Customers) saw you "trying to empty the pockets of newbies" and called you out on it.
Again, release a value adding product for a fair price and you'll get a good response.
Release a product like that and Ill be happy to give you a glowing review....
Jez
· 2 years ago
I am not poor Kumiko, nor will I be made poorer by the likes of MEW.
John Cow
· 2 years ago
Jez: there you go again. We just said this post was not about MEW. Yet you choose to say it is. Who wrote it, you or us? What's the point in reading for you if all you see is what you want to see?
Cash Quests
· 2 years ago
Jez, you comment like this post is about you.
So you've just admitted that you are one of these useless boohoos who like to get cheap thrills and attention by bashing others.
Why am I not surprised....?
2xKnight
· 2 years ago
Yeah Jez, this post is about my Million Little Wikis post. Jealous much? :roll: :lol:
Jez
· 2 years ago
Hi John,
I am afraid I made an assumption that this post was prompted negative MEW posts written in the last 24 hours or so.
I should know better than to assume such things,
Sorry
2xKnight
· 2 years ago
Ok, all joking aside...
I believe the Milk Man. I've seen this on a lot of blogs. We all know why, right? Because all the blogging blogs say that a great way to boost traffic is to cause controversy. Start a feud and watch the visitors stampede to your site!
And no, I don't think it's really about my post.
Jorge
· 2 years ago
Indeed browie has a point: "rich get richer". It seems to be the trend. A trend that I am trying to break here in Portugal! Let´s give a piece of the pie to everyone!
Jez
· 2 years ago
The rich who get richer do so because they are smart... and have money to invest.
"Let´s give a piece of the pie to everyone!"
Didn't the communists try that ;-)
Jorge
· 2 years ago
I didn´t said that the pieces of the pie were equal! :lol:
Jez
· 2 years ago
"I didn´t said that the pieces of the pie were equal!"
Then you are a communist after all :mrgreen:
Olivier
· 2 years ago
Well, you guys are always free to come to boohoo me at my blog (http://blog.gettingrichthecertainway.net/) :cool: . If you want, I can start writing bad articles and offering crummy service. I think I may actually be good at that. :mrgreen: Just post the requests :mrgreen:
Jez
· 2 years ago
Hi Kumiko,
As you said
"Whenever I’m getting too concerned about the criticism against me"
and I have indeed criticized you, I made ... yet another foolish assumption......
I should know better than to assume,
Very Sorry.
However, as you yourself have been very critical of sites and schemes you felt were poor, I don't think the "get cheap thrills from bashing others" remark is very fair.
I don't go out of my way to upset people, and don't want to make enemies out of other bloggers.
Like you I just say it as I see it.. what I wrote was my honest unbiased opinion.
My blog is nothing more than a hobby, it will never make any money, I sometimes go weeks between posts (hence there are no dates to be found on the blog).
I don't really care about attention or traffic on that site.. and I happen to think my criticism of you was fair.
In previous posts I have linked to your site as a source of honest information... which I also thought was fair....
Jorge
· 2 years ago
Jez: Communism doesn't work. History has show it. But I think we should be fair in Capitalism! Take care.
boringman
· 2 years ago
Yes.. It depends on reader.. If you like it just continue read but If you think the blog suck just leave it and don't make complain.. I agree about you.. Just moo that person..
Angel
· 2 years ago
"Whenever I’m getting too concerned about the criticism against me, I just check my Paypal account and feel much better.
The big boohoos will die poor."
Poor people can still be happy though.
Laura
· 2 years ago
Tabloids (and the like) get readers who want to hear about the negativity in celebs lives. The celebs don't always like it, but there isn't much they can do about it if they want to remain in the spotlight. Same with bloggers. If you want to be known, then you have to deal with the criticisms of the "shadow blogs". At Bob Meets World you came pretty close to uncovering the Kumiko scam. Now you're scamming with Kumiko and you've lost credibility. This makes me sad.
ray
· 2 years ago
haha playa haters. don't worry johncow you switched the style up. SO IF THEY HATE, LET THEM HATE AND WATCH THE MONEY PILE UP. I learned the hard way, blogging is a pyramid scheme and the only bloggers that would see more than 20$ a day in revenue are in the 95th percentile. Word to the wise, don't quit your day job! A: JohnCow sucks, B: ok fool, and?
John Cow
· 2 years ago
Laura: What exactly do you call scamming? We're telling it as it is and not forcing anyone to sign up.
Sabrina's Money Matters
· 2 years ago
It's the news of the day don't ya know? If it isn't rehashed over and over, then it just isn't newsworthy is it? I have stopped reading several blogs because of the same issue, but I don't write about it or get all bent of shape and bore people with my rants about it...I just find other blogs to read. Like the Cows' blog. Speaking of cows, one got loose in New York last week, New Jersey to be specific - now that wouldn't be newsworthy in Texas, and certainly no crowds would stop to watch like they did in Jersey, but I have to ask....did you have anything to do with that? :twisted:
Matthew
· 2 years ago
I noticed several people mentioning how one how topic gets covered by everyone. I just wrote a post about that Blogggers are the biggest copycats
Laura
· 2 years ago
Cow: My point is, if you don't want people to question your credibility then don't partner up with scammers. The project looks like a get rich scheme that mainly benefits the owner(s). If you're serious about making money long term then your focus should be building up your reputation with your potential customers (readers) so that they will trust you when you do offer a (quality) product. That's my opinion for whatever it's worth.
Israel
· 2 years ago
its all about getting a piece of the traffic.
John Cow
· 2 years ago
Laura, the money generated is reinvested in media coverage and advertisement for the site. We don't know who you are calling a scammer but we believe that anyone is innocent until proven guilty.
Laura
· 2 years ago
Cow: I doesn't matter to me what you do with the money you earn. It's none of my business. If you read my first comment, I said I was talking about Kumiko being a scam. You thought so yourself, didn't you? I don't remember you thinking "innocent until proven guilty" when you made those posts about it. And her ethics are questionable, leaning more toward gray and black hat (not trustworthy). So what??? She's entitled to it and you're entitled to join her. But that doesn't make it a smart move (reputations are contagious). It might be great now but maybe not so much later. I wasn't going to say anything though until I read this ironic post. :lol:
PS- Don't think that just because I disagree with you that I am against you. I'm not. I still love John Cow and Bob Meets World.
John Cow
· 2 years ago
Laura, go back and read the posts about Kumiko again. We never claimed she was a fraud, one of our comments was in fact "innocent until proven guilty" on the whole blogsoap drama that some people made it into. We still don't care if Kumiko is a he or a she, we like the blog's content.
Laura
· 2 years ago
Good luck to you. I hope it all turns out well.
Angel
· 2 years ago
Who the heck is Kumiko anyway? There are four dudes writing her blog and none of them write anything like she used to do on Blogspot. I miss her posts about Britney Spears and being worried about her friends getting drunk. The human touch to a blog can be very refreshing. She's one of the mysteries of the blogosphere (to me, anyway). I've never once had a hit on Google Analytics from Tokyo.
Jez
· 2 years ago
I made a mistake, the wiki wont get penalised by google as the links are all no follow....
Jez
· 2 years ago
Oh yeah, if you didnt want me to comment you should just have asked and Ive have left, instead of trying to redirect me to dealdotcom ...
John Cow
· 2 years ago
Jez, the links on the Wiki have all nofollow tags removed. And as for redirecting you to dealdotcom, it's just todays deal that gets featured underneath the last comment. Seems we forgot to close the < a > tags. You could have just told us.
Jez
· 2 years ago
I did tell you in a round about way... spose I should have mailed you...
All Comments
It is up to the blogger's view, if this can get him/her the readers and visits, why not?
Can I ask which plugin that provides the smilies above the comment editor? Thanks.
The people who watched it, and were disgusted by it, have the same abilities as everyone else. Simply turn over if you don't like what you see.
Some people even complain without watching it, which is the strangest thing.
It's our choice what to watch*, and what not to watch, same as it's our choice what to read and what not to read.
Mxx
* There are limits, of course. You can't simply stick a snuff movie on TV saying 'you have the choice to switch it off' as there are obviously levels of society that shouldn't be met - and there is certainly a difference between free will and creating a public acceptance of what society should allow.
Gotta say that bashing, flaming, whatever you call it is wrong on all accounts but if you truly disagree with someone, even if they are a more famous blogger, I think it's fine. Straight ranting and bitching is not productive and un-welcomed on all levels.
I must admit on some part though, sometimes many things get repeated, either by the same blogger who posted a while back, or the same topic gets covered by multiple bloggers. It is incredibly annoying to come across your RSS reader of say 20 bloggers, 19 (if not all 20) of which will discuss the same subject.
It's nothing to have a cow about (no pun intended), but it's also unnecessary for one blogger to be blogging about the same thing another blogger is blogging about UNLESS there really is something in it (for example: BlogRush; everyone tried to get people in their own network which I can understand). But having most of your bloggers tell you WP v2.3 is out is pointless (this is pure example and not actually the case).
I wish more bloggers would in the same niche would please stop posting the same thing, particularly if you know a popular blog has already covered it. Just give the popular blog credit (unless of course you were first to post the news), and move on. Don't read it off their blog and write it in your own words.
Wow this has got to be my longest comment YET
But then stuff like that is out there every day, and I run into it more often than I would like, so I suppose it's not a funny coincidence at all.
I have a feeling the aforementioned author really was just looking for an excuse to slip a Chow-snipe in there. A chowsnipe. Haha.. I like that word.
I run a site (non-bloggy type thing) that has 11,000 active registered users and a very very active forum. I've actually had people set up sites/blogs for the sole purpose of talking about how much I suck or my site sucks. (Usually these are people I've banned for being boneheads, or people who run similar, but barely popular sites, I've observed.) I bring this up just to say that I've been on both ends. My blogs are new (less than 6 months), so I can see why it's tempting to be jealous of people who are successful, especially when they make it look so easy. But I would say this.. when something is done well, it always looks easy.
Okay, well, I went off there, and I didn't mean to... but you just touched a nerve today as I was already in eye-rolling mode over that article I read this morning.
There will always be those who attack your position, but you have a loyal readership so you can rise above this and let people talk. Talk isn't going to bring you down and it isn't going to affect your readership. How you react to the talk will.
Let people talk.
I never write about a bit-time blogger unless I really have something to say. The big-time bloggers are the leaders in this field, and it's natural to look to them and respond to what they say.
Which articles are you referring to anyway? I hope not mine.
Personally, I believe in looking at a subject from various points of views and to give a balanced account of what you think about a subject (or in this instance, the Cow blog and it's activities).
As long as you are fair in your comments, there will be people (and cows) who will see that your arguments are sound and you will then gain aloyal following.
Having some humor thrown in helps too. :grin:
Example: Dealdotcom, we knew it was going to be hot so we blogged about it as soon as we could to get those referrals. Random people read the big blogs first and always sign up under them, hence giving them loads of referrals and in return making the rich richer.
That's what it's about, people wanting a piece of the pie.
If you had offered something of value for a fair price you would have got a positive reaction...
As you mentioned, the big majority of the tabloids around only survive because people want to hear "bad stuff" about celebs and such. It's the same with blogs. Readers are bored, they want entertainment (this kind of readers don't want useful content, really just some spicy entertainment). Give them this entertainment by talking bad about someone (the bigger this someone, the better). They'll love your blog for it. It's easy to understand. Of course that the blogger might also be serving himself a little. Maybe some ego deprived people just feel better when talking bad about others... Don't know.
If you release a product that a lot of people see as a scam designed to empty the pockets of newbies, you are bound to get bad comments posted on blogs.
As soon as you release another product that is considered of good value, I'm sure the same people will be writing about you but in a more positive fashion.
You have to take the good with the bad and isn't any press good anyway?
You write something negative about something - a different set come out against you.
Should you care?
Should you worry?
Whenever I'm getting too concerned about the criticism against me, I just check my Paypal account and feel much better.
The big boohoos will die poor.
I don't hate you or your blog and never referenced this site in my posts.
Your own readers and advertisers (AKA Customers) saw you "trying to empty the pockets of newbies" and called you out on it.
Again, release a value adding product for a fair price and you'll get a good response.
Release a product like that and Ill be happy to give you a glowing review....
What's the point in reading for you if all you see is what you want to see?
So you've just admitted that you are one of these useless boohoos who like to get cheap thrills and attention by bashing others.
Why am I not surprised....?
I am afraid I made an assumption that this post was prompted negative MEW posts written in the last 24 hours or so.
I should know better than to assume such things,
Sorry
I believe the Milk Man. I've seen this on a lot of blogs. We all know why, right? Because all the blogging blogs say that a great way to boost traffic is to cause controversy. Start a feud and watch the visitors stampede to your site!
And no, I don't think it's really about my post.
Let´s give a piece of the pie to everyone!
"Let´s give a piece of the pie to everyone!"
Didn't the communists try that ;-)
Then you are a communist after all :mrgreen:
As you said
"Whenever I’m getting too concerned about the criticism against me"
and I have indeed criticized you, I made ... yet another foolish assumption......
I should know better than to assume,
Very Sorry.
However, as you yourself have been very critical of sites and schemes you felt were poor, I don't think the "get cheap thrills from bashing others" remark is very fair.
I don't go out of my way to upset people, and don't want to make enemies out of other bloggers.
Like you I just say it as I see it.. what I wrote was my honest unbiased opinion.
My blog is nothing more than a hobby, it will never make any money, I sometimes go weeks between posts (hence there are no dates to be found on the blog).
I don't really care about attention or traffic on that site.. and I happen to think my criticism of you was fair.
In previous posts I have linked to your site as a source of honest information... which I also thought was fair....
But I think we should be fair in Capitalism!
Take care.
The big boohoos will die poor."
Poor people can still be happy though.
PS- Don't think that just because I disagree with you that I am against you. I'm not. I still love John Cow and Bob Meets World.
Jez